sacrifices his own life for Player 222, a newborn CGI baby. The moment makes for a poignant conclusion to Gi-hun’s character arc; he goes from a fairly selfish guy in season 1 to someone making the ultimate sacrifice for a stranger in season 3. It also helps Gi-hun win his moral argument against the Front Man In-ho (Lee Byung-hun), as he is proving in his final moments that humans are more than self-serving animals.
The only problem with Gi-hun’s final moment is that he fails to make a coherent speech. He’s trying to say something profound, but he’s too tired and broken to finish the sentence. All he can say is, “Humans are…” before he gives up and plummets to his death. In the recent Netflix feature “Squid Game in Conversation,” showrunner Hwang Dong-hyuk shed some light on what Gi-hun was trying to say.
“I wanted to continue with, ‘As humans, this is what we should do, as humans, this is how we should be, and starting now, this is how we can turn this world of ours into a better one.'” Dong-hyuk explained. “But as I wrote that all out, it became clear I couldn’t sum this up in a single line. People are far too complex to be defined categorically like that.”
In the end, Gi-hun didn’t need to be all that concise with his final words, as it was his actions that spoke for him. In-ho definitely seemed to understand what he meant, which might be why he went out of his way afterward to make sure Gi-hun’s daughter received his fortune. Kang No-eul (Park Gyuyoung) understood him too; she responded to his final moments by deciding to keep looking for her own lost child, despite the odds not being in her favor. Gi-hun pleaded in his final moments for humans to be kinder to each other, and it seems like the other characters listened.
Dong-hyuk chose not to spell out Gi-hun’s point, and let the audience infer it for themselves
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“If I sent the viewers a message that was so explicit, and so normative and didactic, it would actually only serves to limit the message itself,” Dong-hyuk explained about Gi-hun’s trailed-off final words. “So I decided the rest of what I wanted to say would instead be expressed physically by Gi-hun through his actions, through his deeds, and the sacrifice he makes to save that child.”
It’s an approach that displays a healthy aversion to coming across as preachy. If you want to deliver a lesson to your viewers, a writer’s best approach is to try to get them to reach that lesson without too much help, so they can accept the message as if they’d thought of it on their own. When you spell the lesson out too clearly, it comes across as condescending, and the audience might reject the lesson out of sheer annoyance.
Gi-hun’s actor, Lee Jung-jae, supported the showrunner’s approach, noting that it left the audience with far more to talk about after the credits rolled. As he explained:
“If our message was complete, with nothing left to interpretation, then the audience would just leave it at that, then go ‘oh, that’s how it all ends’. […] If we had gone that route, the story would’ve just had one single conclusion but because we left the last part of the message opened ended, it feels like we’re continuously communicating back and forth with the audience. So the end’s a conversation, we throw you a question: ‘This is what I think, but what do you think?'”
“Squid Game” season 3 is now streaming on Netflix.
quite a few episodes of “Always Sunny” have been pulled from streaming services due to characters being in blackface. As edgy as the series can be, however, Olson has a few appetizer (read: tamer) episodes to start out with for viewers wanting to give it a chance.
Kaitlin Olson’s episode recommendations for Abbott Elementary fans
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Near the start of 2025, one of the most bizarre yet surprisingly fitting television crossovers in recent memory occurred between “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” and “Abbott Elementary.” Given that the former series is a staple of basic cable, whereas the latter has become a hit sitcom for ABC, it’s the perfect example of two shows that are complete opposites — at least with regard to their respective characters’ attitudes — somehow coming seamlessly together. We’ll have to see if that remains the case when the second half of the crossover airs, kicking off the 17th season of “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” in the process.
In the meantime, Olson has given “Abbott Elementary” viewers some episode recommendations. In an exclusive for The A.V. Club, Olson suggested that, given “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” is on basic cable, much of the series’ content is incompatible with network television and may give certain “Abbott” fans some major tonal whiplash. She also hilariously acknowledged that perhaps it’s best that new viewers not watch one of the most popular “Always Sunny” episodes, “The Nightman Cometh” with their grandmothers. With that said, here are five “tamer” episodes Olson selected as a primer, along with her descriptions:
Episode 502: “The Gang Hits the Road”
“The gang attempts to expand their horizons by taking a road trip to the Grand Canyon. You’ll get to see me throw a jar of pee on my husband [Rob McElhenney], and the song ‘Runaway Train’ will forever hold a special place in your heart.”
Episode 603: “The Gang Buys a Boat”
“The gang attempts to open themselves up to the adventures of the sea after they purchase their ‘new’ boat. This one will teach you all about the implication. And you’ll get to see my sweet moves.”
Episode 704: “Sweet Dee Gets Audited”
“Desperate times call for sad and horrific measures as Sweet Dee tries to get out of an IRS audit. The rest of the gang institutes a new democratic voting system in Paddy’s that’s sure to solve all their problems. (It doesn’t solve any of their problems.)”
Episode 1004: “Charlie Work”
“When a surprise health inspection falls on the same day as one of the gang’s less hygienic schemes, Charlie tries to keep the gang working together to make sure Paddy’s makes the grade. This was shot like a play with one camera movement. You’ll be so impressed with us.”
Episode 1008: “The Gang Goes on Family Fight”
“When the gang appears on a nationally broadcasted game show, Dennis does his best to keep the gang’s weirdness under wraps. Great example of all of our characters’ personalities. And Keegan-Michael Key hates our guts. (Not in real life. I don’t think.)”
How time has only been kinder to It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
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This summer, “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” will not only premiere its 17th season, but it will also mark its 20th anniversary since premiering in 2005. Although it may not be the longest-running sitcom of all time (though it could reach that point someday), its ability to endure for two decades on FX, FXX, and on numerous streaming services such as Hulu have only built an even larger fanbase that has only grown more passionate and excited to watch the continuing misadventures (or rather, degradation) of the Paddy’s Pub gang as the years pass them by.
The fact that a crossover between “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” and “Abbott Elementary” even happened at all is a testament to the timeless appeal of watching a group of despicable characters endure such ridiculous circumstances. Here’s to hoping that even as its cast pursues other creative endeavors beyond Paddy’s Pub, we’ll continue to enjoy the never-ending antics of the gang for years to come.
New episodes of “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” will begin airing on FXX starting July 9, 2025, before streaming the next day on Hulu.
ever-evolving catalogue of TV shows, and his plans for “Mayor of Kingstown” should have longtime viewers feeling energized for the future of the Paramount+ show because of the careful considerations the creator has taken every step of the way.
“Mayor of Kingstown“ is a joint project headed by Taylor Sheridan and Hugh Dillon, and the second man in that sentence just had an interview with ScreenRant where he discussed their relationship as they head into the future of the show. Dillon made it clear that Sheridan has been a massive force in his life professionally and personally, guiding his development as a storyteller through mentorship and coaching all this time. As their bond developed, the scope of a project like “Mayor of Kingstown” took shape. The co-creator explained that the “Yellowstone” architect apparently has seven seasons’ worth of story to tell with Jeremy Renner and this growing franchise, which is going to perk up the ears of any fans that have been watching the first three seasons of the story on Paramount+.
Dillon began, “He’s coached me, this was the first thing he ever wrote, and he was my acting coach. He coached me on 100 episodes of TV, and we would talk about this all the time. And when we first mapped it out, he’s the king at knowing where it ends. I like intros, and I like explosive intros.” The co-creator continued, laughing, “And he has an ending for it in season 7. Whether it goes that far or that’s where we get [who knows], but he has an ending and everyone knows about it, the broad strokes. And when you talk to him, he will tell you in detail. So, our goal is to get to that season 7, because that’s as far as we can get, because that’s where he’s always had it.”
Taylor Sheridan’s seven season plan for Mayor of Kingstown signal a bright future for the series
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While “Mayor of Kingstown” might not be confirmed to run seven seasons at this point, the popular show was already renewed for season 4, so it’s not outlandish to believe that the Jeremy Renner vehicle could end up getting it over the finish line. American crime thrillers have probably never been more popular than in the streaming era, and audiences don’t seem to care if the threats are real or imagined, as long as there’s a slightly complicated good guy chasing antagonists around with some explosions and gunplay thrown in for good measure! But, there’s even more reason to be optimistic about the future of the show because Jeremy Renner seems open to playing this role for as long as possible.
Renner plays Michael McLusky in the Paramount+ show; his character is the lynchpin for viewers following all the drama in Kingstown, and his presence is fairly crucial for everything in the show. As you may know, the Marvel star was involved in a horrific snowplow accident in 2023, and had a long road back to being able to walk during his recovery. However, that hasn’t stopped him from returning and filming another season of “Mayor of Kingstown,” which is an encouraging sign, and he’s already posted on Instagram that he’s excited for people to see the upcoming season. Renner told Happy Sad Confused that the past couple of years have been a literal struggle to feel good enough to get out there and complete these jobs because of all the trouble from the accident. The actor said, “I feel like I have a lot more personality on set or just in life. It’s not just 100% focus on just getting physicality, getting feeling terrible. You know, it takes a lot of mental attention to every joint. It was a lot.”
Mayor of Kingstown continues full-steam ahead toward a massive conclusion
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With all of this in mind, you have to feel pretty good about Mayor of Kingstown gliding into the homestretch of its run. With season 4 already in the can and a lot of momentum behind the show from multiple corners, viewers can feel optimistic about a possible three additional seasons on Paramount+ at this rate. CBS and Paramount have a great working relationship with the creative team, even though there are some snags with power struggles that need to be noted here, they’re clearly not going to abandon “Mayor of Kingstown” in the immediate future.
One thing fans should keep an eye on as the seasons progress is if Paramount makes the decision to air “Mayor of Kingstown” over broadcast like they did for “Tulsa King,” because that would signal that the Sheridan program is getting an even bigger push than it had before. As CBS goes through even more evolution in the streaming era, they’ve tried a lot of different things to goose viewership of terrestrial TV in the ensuing years, and some things have worked, like putting out shows that were originally made for their streamer onto the good old CBS programming lineup. So, if we ever see “Mayor of Kingstown” hit the network, you’ll know that we’re definitely going to get to that seventh season, and maybe, if we’re lucky, a fun ending to a show millions of people out there love.
One of the best sports movies ever made is a hidden gem criminally overlooked by the public — and it was released relatively recently. The 2024 indie movie “Eephus” provides a slice-of-life look at adult amateur baseball teams in New England that casually assembled every weekend for games in the ’90s. The movie revolves around two teams in small-town Massachusetts preparing for one last game before their field is replaced by a school. Both squads are manned by decidedly un-athletic misfits that bond over their mutual love of the game, which has become a community fixture.
There is a sense of existential acceptance throughout “Eephus” as these players come to terms with their long-standing weekend pastime coming to an end. Despite this, the teams play on because that’s what they know to do best, not particularly embittered by this abrupt conclusion, but recognizing it as a fact of life. Along the way, the players offer their own quirky humor, free of overt melodrama, as they indulge in their final game. Cozy and unassuming, “Eephus” is a quiet celebration of baseball and its role in a community.
14. Bang the Drum Slowly
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Just as Robert De Niro’s film career was taking off, one early critical success that he had was the 1973 sports drama “Bang the Drum Slowly.” De Niro plays major league catcher Bruce Pearson, who is ridiculed by his teammates for his low intellectual prowess. Pearson befriends the team’s star pitcher Henry Wiggen (Michael Moriarty), later confiding in him that he has received a terminal cancer diagnosis. Wiggen and Pearson keep this a secret from the rest of the team as their friendship deepens in the face of Pearson’s impending demise.
Given its subject matter, “Bang the Drum Slowly” feels like a spiritual successor to the 1971 television movie “Brian’s Song,” albeit under a different sport. The camaraderie between Wiggen and Pearson is the emotional core of the movie and De Niro and Moriarty play that deep friendship well. This keeps the movie from veering into outright melodrama, with a surprising amount of humor present throughout the story. A strong early cinematic performance from De Niro, “Bang the Drum Slowly” blends comedy and tragedy to great effect.
13. The Battered Bastards of Baseball
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Any sporting organization is going to see its fair share of misfits and this is especially true of minor league baseball leagues. The 2014 Netflix original documentary “The Battered Bastards of Baseball” chronicles the Portland Mavericks, a minor league team unaffiliated with any parent team from the major leagues. Recounting the rebellious outfit’s heyday from 1973 to 1977, the team becomes an endearing underdog squad owned by actor Bing Russell. The documentary also reveals how a brutal injury forced Kurt Russell (seen above) to start acting full-time, after his own stint playing for the team.
“The Battered Bastards of Baseball” stands as a great true underdog story, one that shines a light on an obscure part of the Russell family history. The major leagues weren’t overly fond of the devil-may-care indie team, with the documentary showing how they dealt with that adversity head-on. Of course, there’s plenty of freewheeling fun along the way, as the Mavericks enjoy the baseball lifestyle by their own rules. A fantastic documentary, “The Battered Bastards of Baseball” is interestingly the only Kurt Russell movie that has a perfect Rotten Tomatoes score.
12. Everybody Wants Some!!
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After helming the seminal ’90s coming-of-age movie “Dazed and Confused,” filmmaker Richard Linklater returned to the genre with 2016’s “Everybody Wants Some!!” This time, Linklater focused on college baseball players at Texas school in 1980 who arrive before classes for training camp. Freshman pitcher Jake Bradford (Blake Jenner) moves into the team’s house off-campus where he is greeted by a whirlwind of drunken parties. Between the string of shindigs and baseball practice, Jake finds time to romance his classmate Beverly (Zoey Deutch) as he finds himself in the college scene.
There’s a playfulness to “Everybody Wants Some!!,” with Linklater evoking a debauched college environment through youthful eyes. Baseball is the thing that brings these seemingly disparate kids together, and it’s clear that they still love playing it. And long before he became America’s latest heartthrob, this stands as one of Glen Powell’s best movies to date, with Powell playing the irascible upperclassman Finnegan. A feel-good movie about a bunch of college rascals, “Everybody Wants Some!!” brings some mischievous fun to college baseball.
11. Eight Men Out
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One incident that haunted professional baseball for decades is the 1919 Black Sox Scandal that saw eight White Sox players collude with gamblers to intentionally throw the World Series. When the conspiracy was exposed the following year, the players involved were banned from baseball for the rest of their lives. This historical event is dramatized in the 1988 sports movie “Eight Men Out,” written and directed by filmmaker John Sayles. The movie delves into the motivations behind the players involved in the championship game fixing, including their animosity against the team’s manipulative owner Charles Comiskey (Clifton James).
A more intimate look at a young impressionable team at a moral crossroads, “Eight Men Out” is elevated by its cast. John Cusack and David Strathairn give earnest performances as the wide-eyed Buck Weaver and the jaded Eddie Cicotte, respectively, two players caught up in the fix. Given the subject matter, the movie makes for a great unintentional companion piece to “Field of Dreams,” which deals with the scandal’s emotional fallout. A labor of love for the major creative parties involved, “Eight Men Out” provides a clear-eyed look at one of the sports’ most controversial moments.
10. 42
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Before he was the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s Black Panther, the late Chadwick Boseman first turned heads in Hollywood with his portrayal of Jackie Robinson in “42.” The depicts Robinson being recruited by the Brooklyn Dodgers in the ’40s, officially starting with the team in 1947 and breaking up the league’s strict racial segregation. Robinson faces aggressive persecution every step of the way, with Dodgers’ owner Branch Rickey (Harrison Ford) reminding him his detractors are trying to provoke a response. Robinson’s enduring dignity and excellence on the field not only inspires his team but leads to the wider desegregation of the league.
Written and directed by filmmaker Brian Helgeland, “42” is a sports biopic that showcases how brave and noble Robinson was in the face of constant adversity. Though the movie doesn’t throw any major curveballs from the established genre formula, it incorporates them with a well-honed approach. A relative unknown at the time, Boseman makes the Robinson all his own, capturing the humanity within the iconic historical figure. A well-crafted biopic that marries its historical story with gripping sports scenes, “42” was an early sign of great things to come from Boseman.
9. A League of Their Own
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With so many professional athletes serving in the military during World War II, organizations like the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League kept the sport alive in the United States. The 1992 dramedy “A League of Their Own” explores this overlooked aspect of baseball history, chronicling the league’s formation and following the saga of the Rockford Peaches. Married softball player Dottie Hinson (Geena Davis) and her sister Kit (Lori Petty) are recruited, with Dottie playing with boozy manager Jimmy Dugan (Tom Hanks). A growing rivalry between Dottie and Kit culminates in their teams facing off in the league’s World Series.
While led by Davis and Hanks, what makes “A League of Their Own” work is that it’s a true ensemble effort, with everyone as the hero of their own story. The movie thoroughly embraces its period piece setting, fueled by sentimentality and a constant light-hearted charm. Two short-lived television adaptations of the movie have since been attempted, airing in 1993 and 2020 respectively. But at the end of the day, “A League of Their Own” is the ultimate sports movie, something its television spin-offs never quite recaptured.
8. The Bad News Bears (1976)
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By the ’70s, Walter Matthau had become America’s favorite cinematic curmudgeon, starring in hit moves like “The Odd Couple” and “Kotch.” The perfect showcase for Matthau’s crowd-pleasing blend of grumpy and heartwarming qualities is in the original 1976 version of “The Bad New Bears.” Matthau stars as alcoholic former minor league pitcher Morris Buttermaker, who accepts a secret cash offer to coach a wealthy parent’s little league team. Buttermaker grows to begrudgingly appreciate his impressionable squad, especially his former protege and surrogate daughter figure Amanda Whurlitzer (Tatum O’Neal), the team’s star pitcher.
Just like Matthau’s character, there is a lot of heart to “The Bad News Bears” once you get past its comedically gruff exterior. O’Neal more than holds her own against Matthau as the profane Amanda, with their rapport carrying the movie. But beyond the laughs, the film is also an indictment of how much competitive parents push their children in something as seemingly escapist as little league sports. Lovingly acerbic, “The Bad News Bears” masterfully balances being simultaneously vulgar and sweet as it skewers little league baseball.
7. The Pride of the Yankees
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One of the biggest legends in the New York Yankees’ golden era in the 1920s and 1930s was first baseman Lou Gehrig. Gehrig voluntarily retired at the age of 36 after he was diagnosed with what has become known as ALS, dying just two years later. The life and times of Gehrig were dramatized for the 1942 movie “The Pride of the Yankees,” with Gary Cooper playing the athlete. Several of Gehrig’s Yankees teammates appear in the movie as themselves, most notably Babe Ruth, who had been retired as a player for several years.
There were sports movies before “The Pride of the Yankees,” but none that got even close to the level of quality as the baseball biopic. The movie transcends the sport to focus on the man who became an indelible part of the Yankees’ legacy, from his romance with his wife to his life-ending tragedy. That movie actually features Gehrig’s peers playing themselves is just icing on the cake of authenticity. Gary Cooper’s genre-defining sports movie set the template for sports biopics to come and still holds up over 80 years later.
6. Major League
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If “The Bad News Bears” takes a hilariously politically incorrect and profane look at baseball for little leaguers, “Major League” does it for the pros. The 1989 sports comedy has the Cleveland Indians’ new owner (Margaret Whitton) plan to deliberately sabotage the team, so she can exploit an escape clause to relocate it to Miami. This scheme involves assembling a roster of rookies and washed-up veterans to tank the team’s performance and cause audience attendance to plummet. Once the team realizes that they’re being played, they band together to begin winning and drive attendance up to thwart these plans.
Just like their characters, the ensemble cast to “Major League” doesn’t feel like it could gel at first, until everything clicks into place and the movie starts firing on all cylinders. While leads Tom Berenger and Charlie Sheen are both solid, it’s the late, great Bob Uecker as the team’s surly announcer that steals the show. The movie’s baseball sequences are also engagingly staged, giving a real sense of stakes. Launching its own trilogy, “Major League” is still one of the best sports comedies around.
5. The Sandlot
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A lot of enduring love for baseball comes from that initial sense of childhood wonder as people are first introduced to the sport, either as players or spectators. One movie that celebrates that distinction particularly well is the 1993 coming-of-age comedy “The Sandlot,” directed, co-written, and narrated by David Mickey Evans. Set in the summer of 1962, the movie follows introverted Scotty Smalls (Tom Guiry) as he moves with his family to Southern California. Scotty befriends the local kids and joins their pickup baseball games, leading to misadventures that change their lives forever.
There’s an innocent charm to “The Sandlot” that continues to hold up over 30 years after its initial release. The ensemble cast gels well together, ribbing and supporting each other in equal measure, and the movie captures a point in life when everything just felt bigger. This is evidenced in larger-than-life vignettes, including a memorable Independence Day game and the climactic attempt to retrieve a priceless baseball. Easily one of the best ’90s kids movies, regardless of sports connection, “The Sandlot” is an enduring classic.
4. Bull Durham
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Filmmaker Ron Shelton launched a career of successful sports movies starting with 1988’s “Bull Durham,” which was also his first collaboration with Kevin Costner. Costner plays veteran minor league catcher Crash Davis who mentors his team’s hotshot new pitcher Nuke Laloosh (Tim Robbins). As Crash shows Nuke the ropes, both men enter a flirtatious relationship with local baseball groupie Annie Savoy (Susan Sarandon) who takes Nuke under her wing in her own way. As Nuke prepares to transition to the majors based on Crash’s tutelage, Annie and Crash decide to strike up a romance of their own.
“Bull Durham” endured quite the road to get made with the movie rejected by nearly every studio as it made the rounds in the ’80s. On paper, that trepidation makes sense, given its uneven blend of comedy, drama, and romance, but the end result balances those elements seamlessly. It’s also worth mentioning that “Bull Durham” is a deceptively erotic movie, with Susan Sarandon’s performance scarring her children at a later screening. Sensuality aside, “Bull Durham” is a superbly crafted dramedy that explores coming-of-age at multiple ages against the backdrop of minor league baseball.
3. Moneyball
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There are plenty of movies that center around playing or coaching baseball, but 2011’s “Moneyball” is a film about managing baseball. Based on the 2003 book by Michael Lewis, the movie details how the Oakland Athletics fielded a competitive team despite its limited financial resources. Frustrated general manager Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) recruits advisor Peter Brand (Jonah Hill), using Brand’s sabermetric analysis to build the Athletics’ roster. Though baseball purists balk at the strategy and prepare to crucify Beane for ditching the sport’s traditions, the unlikely squad begins to steadily win.
Brad Pitt single-handedly saved “Moneyball,” in more ways than one, with Beane progressing from a cynic over the sport to someone who has their love of it reignited. But the movie is also sharply written and staged, with a memorable score composed by Mychael Danna that soars as the Athletics reverse their fortunes. The change of perspective makes the movie feel fresh too, exploring Beane’s management style, including how he works with the team and its manager Art Howe (Philip Seymour Hoffman). As inspiring as the true story behind it, “Moneyball” takes familiar baseball movie elements and breathes new life into them.
2. Field of Dreams
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The 1982 novel “Shoeless Joe” by W.P. Kinsella was adapted into the hit sports fantasy “Field of Dreams” in 1988, written and directed by Phil Alden Robinson. Kevin Costner stars as Ray Kinsella, who lives on a struggling corn farm with his wife Annie (Amy Madigan) and their young daughter. As Ray remains haunted by his estranged relationship with his late father, he is urged by a strange voice in the cornfield to build a baseball field. Upon doing so, he is visited by the ghosts of classic baseball players, led by Shoeless Joe Jackson (Ray Liotta), leading to a cross-country adventure.
All of “Field of Dreams” hinges on a leap of faith, defying all logic in an emotionally healing fantasy story. Baseball is what brings everyone in the movie together, including and especially fathers and sons, but a happy ending here never revolves around a game. Instead, this is a story about reconciliation and second chances, something that the magic of baseball can provide. A project that affected its cast as they knew it was going to be a classic, “Field of Dreams” celebrates baseball marking the time on a broader and intimate level.
1. The Natural
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If there’s one movie that captures the timeless magic of baseball and still continues to inspire beyond its established sports formula, it’s “The Natural.” An adaptation of Bernard Malamud’s 1952 novel of the same name, the 1984 movie stars Robert Redford as baseball prodigy Roy Hobbs in the early 20th century. After enduring a grievous wound at the start of his career, Hobbs returns to the game 16 years later, no less gifted even as an older man. The fate of the team hinges on Hobbs’ performance as the team’s shady owner (Robert Prosky) looks to gain full control if they fail to win the pennant.
From its soaring score composed by Randy Newman to an all-around stellar ensemble cast around Redford, every element in “The Natural” works perfectly. Without being an outright fantasy story, the movie is cinematic myth-making cementing Roy Hobbs as the greatest to ever play the game, despite his life-threatening wounds. Anchoring the whole thing is an earnestly heartfelt performance from its star, with “The Natural” as one of Robert Redford’s best movies. A dream-like quality that enhances the story’s many magical moments, “The Natural” is pure sports movie bliss that beautifully celebrates the legacy and love of baseball.
“Let me ask you something,” composer Lalo Schifrin told me a few years ago during a long conversation that, sadly, would be our last. “When you write your articles, do you require a piano? I imagine you don’t, because you already have all the words that you need in your mind, which you then elaborate with your knowledge of grammar and syntax, right? It’s exactly the same for me. I don’t need a musical instrument in order to compose a piece. The notes are in my head.”
I had the privilege of interviewing Schifrin, who died Thursday at 93, multiple times during the past three decades. The most memorable meeting with the Emmy-nominated (Mission: Impossible theme) and Oscar-nominated composer (Sting II,The Amityville Horror) was a leisurely lunch at one of his favorite Beverly Hills restaurants when I was still in my early 20s and just getting started in journalism.
We had much in common. We were both Argentine immigrants living in Los Angeles. Like my dad, who was born three years before him, Schifrin was the son of a Jewish father and a Catholic mother. We also shared an eclectic passion for all kinds of music: classical, tango, jazz. Even then, I knew that Schifrin had been the piano player in the iconic ensembles of two 20th-century pioneers: Astor Piazzolla and Dizzy Gillespie.
Most importantly, I was a devoted fan of his soundtrack music from the age of 7. My older brother had purchased a copy of the Mission: Impossible soundtrack, which I borrowed regularly and played on my one-speaker turntable.
It was around that time when I discovered the silky, eternally melancholy sound that would haunt my pre-teen years and eventually inspire me to become a music writer: the jazz-infused, bossa nova-friendly universe of Schifrin and Burt Bacharach, John Barry and Henry Mancini that evoked in me a profound sense of nostalgia for landscapes that I didn’t even know existed but could picture vividly in my imagination. I hummed Mancini’s “Hatari” theme as I tried to fall asleep at night, and listened to the Carpenters’ luminous “Bacharach Medley” in the cassette deck of my father’s car as he drove us to the movies across the cobblestone streets of the Buenos Aires suburbs.
Schifrin smiled warmly when I described to him my fascination with the Mission: Impossible record, and my favorite track in it: “Cinnamon,” a two-minute miniature that glides effortlessly as it alternates its dreamy melody with a jazz solo. And “Danger,” the exotic theme that conjures up jaded spies sitting in European cafés. Later in life, I told Schifrin, I gravitated to bands that were clearly inspired by his work: Saint Etienne, Swing Out Sister, Portishead and Pizzicato Five.
But no matter how many times I pressed him, Schifrin never revealed his recipe for making music that was so incredibly cosmopolitan and harmonically sophisticated.
“That’s for people like you to figure out,” he would say. “I don’t plan anything about my work – I wouldn’t know how to do it. Music is a universal language. It doesn’t require subtitles.”
Or stylistic boundaries, either. I had seen Schifrin conducting Beethoven’s 6th in Buenos Aires and followed his extensive work in the classical field as musical director of the now-defunct Glendale Symphony Orchestra. I also received copies of the albums that he released on his own label, Aleph Records — from a luminous Latin Jazz Suite to his epic series of Jazz Meets the Symphony. Still, it is his soundtrack work, which continues to be reissued well into the 21st century, that best sums up his genius for avant-garde orchestrations. Schifrin’s finest moments as a film composer — The Cincinnati Kid, Cool Hand Luke, Bullitt and The Fox, to name a few — are as transcendent as the works of Nino Rota, Ennio Morricone or Michel Legrand.
“We were all friends,” he recalled when I asked about like-minded musicians like Bacharach and Antonio Carlos Jobim. “We would meet for lunch often. Piazzolla and [Brazilian guitarist] Luiz Bonfá were also there. We all worked on our respective projects, but there was also time to enjoy life.”
Lately, I have developed a slight obsession with the second half of “The First Snow Fall” from the Bullitt soundtrack — the moment when the initial, easy-listening tune suddenly changes gears and gains gravitas with a psychedelic electric piano solo anchored on a rock-solid drum beat.
“My priority is to keep working,” he told me over the phone when he was 86 and had just won an honorary Academy Award in 2019. “I’m interested in making music, not in winning any Oscars. Those awards and competitions occupy a secondary place in my life. I don’t plan to retire, and my creativity is still in full bloom. The more I learn, the more I become aware of the many things that I’m still ignorant about.”
It’s rare for a band’s second bite of the apple to taste better than the first, but ‘90s alt-rock outfit Failure continues to be one of the few exceptions.
The Los Angeles-based space rockers’ decade-in-the-making documentary, Every Time You Lose Your Mind: A Documentary About Failure, chronicles their early ’90s origin story, beginning with the fated duo of frontman Ken Andrews and multi-instrumentalist Greg Edwards meeting each other through The Recycler’s music classifieds.
Andrews, who took over directorial responsibilities for the doc in the middle of the pandemic, then focuses on the band’s many ups and downs throughout the production of their first three studio LPs, primarily their third record, Fantastic Planet (1996), which would go on to be widely regarded as a masterwork. Butch Vig, who produced Nirvana’s Nevermind, counts it among his top albums of all time.
During Fantastic Planet’s 1995 recording sessions, heroin invaded the band like it did to so many other groups of that era. Andrews and newly solidified drummer Kellii Scott had formed what could be described as more sociable habits, but the opioid really sunk its teeth into Edwards and refused to release its bite. A watershed moment for the documentary occurred when Andrews discovered chilling footage from 1991 of 20-year-old Edwards expressing interest in trying the drug, while also foretelling just how easy it would be for him to form a heroin addiction.
“When Ken found that first clip that starts the film, I was shocked at just how much insight I had at that age about exactly what ended up happening. It’s uncanny to me,” Edwards tells The Hollywood Reporter in support of Every Time You Lose Your Mind’s Hulu release.
Amid their collective haze in 1995, the band knew that they were crafting the finest work of their young career, but one of several impending death knells happened toward the end of their Fantastic Planet sessions. Their record label, Slash Records, shelved the album’s release indefinitely amid an effort to sell itself. This unwelcome news sent the band spiraling further into the throes of depression and addiction, and they spent 18 months questioning whether their magnum opus would ever see the light of day.
In August 1996, Slash’s then-distribution partner, Warner Bros. Records, finally put the album out themselves, and despite being received with critical acclaim, Fantastic Planet wasn’t pushed to the degree that it should have been, resulting in unimpressive chart and sales figures. Meanwhile, Edwards was now a shell of his former self, raising major concerns about whether he’d be able to sustain himself as the band toured in support of their much-delayed record. (Andrews has stated many times since then that Edwards still managed to deliver strong live performances.)
In hindsight, Andrews, Edwards and Scott are relieved that Fantastic Planet didn’t receive a more robust commercial response.
“I’ve always thought that if we had gotten more radio airplay or more success [in ‘96 and ‘97], it might not have been a good thing,” Andrews says, with Edwards adding, “Yeah, I probably wouldn’t be here.”
In late 1997, Andrews disbanded Failure. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when Edwards missed a second consecutive writing session due to falling asleep at the wheel and crashing his car into a series of parked cars at an L.A. Nissan dealership. Each member had their own crosses to bear in the following years, but they all went on to have productive music careers. Scott joined some notable bands before becoming a successful session drummer. Edwards gradually got clean and co-founded the alt-rock band Autolux in 2001. And Andrews launched several musical projects until making a name for himself as one of the industry’s most in-demand mixers, engineers and producers.
During their absence, the band’s legacy quickly began to evolve, especially as the internet and file sharing took off. They soon achieved cult status, underscoring their existing reputation as “your favorite band’s favorite band.” Failure was previously one of the only bands that L.A. alt-metal band Tool championed and took under their wing. Tool and A Perfect Circle frontman Maynard James Keenan reinforced his support when he helped cover Failure’s “The Nurse Who Loved Me” on A Perfect Circle’s platinum-selling second album, Thirteenth Step, in 2003. The Hayley Williams-led Paramore would also follow suit with a cover of Failure’s “Stuck on You” in 2006. (Williams and Andrews recently performed Failure’s “Daylight” at a benefit for L.A. wildfire relief.)
The tide ultimately turned in 2010 when Andrews and Edwards both became fathers at roughly the same time. Various social engagements involving their families eventually led them to pick up instruments, and by 2013, they knew full well that they could still write music that’s worthy of the Failure name. That’s when they called Scott with the good news, and the trio first set out to book an L.A. reunion show in 2014. The event sold out in minutes, something their ‘90s iteration could never boast.
In 2015, after 19 years between LP releases, the band released their comeback album, The Heart Is a Monster, to even more critical praise. Currently, they’re putting the finishing touches on their seventh studio record and fourth, post-revival, topping their ’90s output. Andrews admits that even he’s a bit amazed that Failure has been able to pick up where they left off, musically, but above all, he’s most grateful for their live audiences consisting of younger generations and varied demographics.
“To walk out on stage and see those young faces is a gift that I was not expecting,” Andrews says.
Below, during a recent conversation with THR, each member of Failure offers their unique perspective on the demise and rebirth of the band, before adding context to some key moments from Every Time You Lose Your Mind.
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Every time I talk to David Dastmalchian, I ask him for updates on Failure, and in March of 2024, he told me that he introduced you guys to Hulu’s head of scripted content, Jordan Helman. Is David’s matchmaking a big reason why we’re now talking about a Hulu/Disney+ release of your long-awaited documentary?
KEN ANDREWS (Vocals, Multi-instrumentalist, Co-Lyricist) Absolutely. It was a very fortuitous thing. I had David over to help me with the edit, and he was like, “To be honest, Ken, I don’t really have that much time in my schedule right now to help you because I’m shooting all these movies simultaneously. But I want to introduce you to a guy who knows a lot about your band, and he knows a lot about story.” So Jordan and I just hit it off, and he was instrumental in crafting the story of the movie. He helped me get a three-plus-hour cut down to two hours that really flowed.
Failure frontman and Every Time You Lose Your Mind: A Documentary About Failure director Ken Andrews
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Ken, you took over the director’s chair during the pandemic, and whenever an artist is in charge of their own doc or biopic, there’s usually a concern that they will sanitize their story. But that’s really not an issue here because you guys have always been brutally honest about the gory details of Failure. Did you have a similar rationale when you took the reins?
ANDREWS Yeah, and I had seen YouTube videos about our band being tumultuous, so it wasn’t that big of a secret that we’ve had our issues. When I saw the interviews that were already shot [by the previous directors] — including Margaret Cho’s interview where she went into detail about her opinions on the connection between addiction and creativity — that’s when a lightbulb went off in my head. We’ve had a lot of problems with addiction, but we’ve also been creative through those problems. So it’s just an interesting, complicated topic, and I basically just wanted to present the situation for people to take it in on their own.
Some interviews go all the way back to 2016?
ANDREWS Yeah, the first directors picked away at it over the course of five years. They’d grab interviews when they could, but once the pandemic hit, it just became impossible for them to finish the movie. So that’s when we first got to see the footage that they had already captured. To be honest, I probably wouldn’t have started a documentary on my own, but once I saw some of that footage, I knew that there were a bunch of other interesting people that might have something to say about the band and the topics that course through the band. So that’s when I realized, “Yeah, we probably have a movie here.” But it basically took ten years to shoot all the interviews. We had an album interruption and a concert film, but then we finally started editing the film two years ago.
Greg, the opening reel of your 20-year-old self sent a chill down my spine. When you first saw that footage, did you try to reach through the screen to deter your young self from ever considering heroin?
GREG EDWARDS (Multi-instrumentalist, Vocals, Co-Lyricist) Yeah, part of me would like to do that, but the larger part of me just accepts that it is my story. It is what happened. When Ken found that first clip that starts the film, I was shocked at just how much insight I had at that age about exactly what ended up happening. It’s unreal. It’s uncanny to me.
ANDREWS I had gone through that footage twice before, but I had not picked up on that conversation. I skimmed it and was maybe writing some emails at the same time or something. But then I went through it again, and I heard [former Failure drummer] Robert [Gauss] go, “So what are you thinking about heroin these days?” And I was like … (Andrews mimics how he sat straight up with eyes widened.) That’s when I finally decoded everything that was being said, and it became a turning point in the documentary.
Greg Edwards of Faliure
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Was this footage part of a more recent discovery?
ANDREWS Yeah, I had a Sony Handycam that I had basically taken from my parents, and I was just randomly shooting stuff during that period [in the early ‘90s]. I wasn’t even thinking about what we were going to use it for, but we thought that it would be fun to just shoot stuff and look at it later. But I never really looked at it later. And then, when we were editing the documentary, I went through some closets and found some old videotapes. Of course, they were in formats that don’t really exist anymore, so I had to go on eBay and buy some old tape machines that could play them back. But that’s when I started finding all this interesting stuff. Robert actually filmed that shot.
EDWARDS He filmed me while he asked me that question?
ANDREWS Yeah, he was interviewing you. You can hear my voice as I’m talking to a friend in another part of the room, but I didn’t know that your conversation had gone down at all until 30 years later.
Greg, when you hear all these stories about yourself in the doc, does it sometimes feel like they’re describing a stranger? Or do you still feel connected to that version of yourself?
EDWARDS In certain ways, I still feel very connected. It’s also really difficult for me to get in touch with how dangerously and carelessly I was living every day for a stretch of time. It just stresses me out to even think about it now. So that part of it I don’t understand, but as Ken was saying, when Margaret speaks so eloquently about the connection between being creative and being an addict, I don’t reject that at all. There’s an obsessiveness to the creative process that is exactly the same energy that goes into an addiction and the lifestyle of keeping up an addiction. Sometimes, they converge in a way that can create beautiful things, and sometimes, they can disentangle where one takes over.
Kellii, the upbeat energy you brought to the band on and off your drum kit seems to be incredibly valuable. When things got heavy between Ken and Greg back in the day, did you view yourself as the person who needed to break the tension or mediate?
KELLII SCOTT (Drummer) No, not with that type of clarity. That’s just my personality, and I act that way in every landscape. It just so happens that that is where I fit in with this group of people. But I don’t think I was consciously walking around, going, “Oh, I’ve got to do this again.” That’s just how my personality fit within the band, and it was definitely very necessary. You don’t really even know that you necessarily need both of those things until they’re there.
Drummer Kellii Scott of Failure
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All three of you are older and more equipped to handle conflict now. Do you encounter present-day situations where you know they would’ve been much a bigger ordeal in the ‘90s?
SCOTT We still have arguments. We’re people. But as you touched on, we certainly had a lot less tools as individuals back in the day. Some of the things we argued about were probably a bit sillier or really didn’t matter all that much. But we’ve talked about our relationship going forward, and the only thing that’s changed is we’ve all had major experiences in our lives. So, for the most part, we understand how precious it is that we’re able to make music again after all these years.
Your partner, Priscilla Chavez Scott, is another unsung hero behind this documentary. She captured a lot of the materials throughout the piece?
SCOTT Yeah, she did a lot of shooting. There’s also a bunch of fan stuff that she captured when we were on the road doing the concert film [in 2022]. As soon as we would finish the shows, she would run outside and interact with the fans. But, yeah, she really stepped up. Before this, she was doing still photography. So she and Ken worked great together, and she learned a lot of new stuff doing this.
There’s a moment where you deliver a very pointed message to some people, and then you flip off the camera. It was in regard to Ken having to be the band’s first line of defense. Are you able to shed a little more light on what you were referencing there?
SCOTT Not specifically, but there are definitely moments riddled through our career where he needed to push back on something dumb being said by someone, usually business people or people trying to get a better deal than the band. He was usually just sticking up for the band and making sure we got the best shake possible.
Your former guitar player, Troy Van Leeuwen, tells a story involving Stone Temple Pilots that knocked me sideways, to say the least. I won’t specify so the readers can have the same experience upon watching, but did that account make some executives pretty nervous?
ANDREWS There was a little bit of concern. We had to go through a whole process of vetting the film for legal stuff, and that definitely came up. But we spoke to some people in that world who were like, “No, you’re fine. You’re good.” I’m friends with the existing members of Stone Temple Pilots. It didn’t really happen for us together in the ‘90s; they soared ahead of us in terms of crowd size and popularity and whatnot. But there was always this connection between the two bands, and just the other day, [STP guitarist] Dean [DeLeo] sent me a video of him and Scott [Weiland] doing a TV interview before an [STP] show in ‘93. And they were asked about what bands to listen to, and Scott just went off about Failure for five minutes. So I think [the story] just points to a little bit of the craziness that was going on during those years for both bands.
Failure’s 1996-1997 lineup of Kellii Scott, Greg Edwards, Ken Andrews and Troy Van Leeuwen
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When record producer/engineer Steve Albini passed away last year, did you review his footage again just to make sure you left no stone unturned? (Note: In 1992, Albini produced Failure’s debut record, Comfort, shortly before he did the same for Nirvana’s third LP, InUtero.)
ANDREWS Yeah, I did. We’re doing another version of the film that is more extended, and there’s a lot more extended stuff of Steve. Most of his headier stuff about the music business is actually in the [current] film. He was so entertaining to listen to when he’d start waxing on about that stuff, but there’s tons of other stuff. His memory was way better than mine about the recording techniques that he offered up during the making of Comfort. But that was a crazy moment because he passed right after we interviewed him.
Greg, one of the most tragicomic stories I’ve ever heard is your “bread mix” story from 2004’s Golden documentary, which I now consider to be a proof of concept for this doc. In 1997, your mailing system failed you at a particular tour stop, and so you sent a crew member out to find opioids of some kind, only he came back with bread mix that you still ingested.
EDWARDS Yeah, I don’t know what it was exactly, but I’m hoping it was bread mix at this point. (Laughs.)
Was that story ever going to be retold for this doc? Or would that have been overkill given all the other related stories?
EDWARDS Yeah, it didn’t come up, maybe because it had already been told. I haven’t thought of that story in a while. I knew a hundred percent that it was not a drug that was going to get me high, and yet it was like Russian roulette.
Carson Daly introduced me to you guys via KROQ, and oddly enough, I also heard about the break-up from him when he was brand new to MTV in 1997. Did anyone reach out to him for the sake of the doc?
ANDREWS He hung around back then. He was at a lot of our shows, and he introduced us a few times when we played live. But then his career took a different path and we lost touch with him.
SCOTT I’ve tried to reach out to him a couple times and had no luck. I’m still really good friends with Zeke Piestrup from KROQ. We used to hang out with Carson a lot at the old Opium Den, and that’s kind of where we first met him.
Speaking of KROQ, I also remember hearing your appearance on Loveline. (Note: Spanning nearly four decades, Loveline was a popular call-in radio program that offered relationship and medical advice.)
EDWARDS The Loveline thing is funny. I was home alone at my house in whatever [mental] state I was in, and I was listening to KROQ. All of a sudden, Loveline came on, and it was with Failure.
ANDREWS & EDWARDS & SCOTT (Laugh.)
EDWARDS It was you guys [and guitarist Troy Van Leeuwen]. You hadn’t even told me about it.
SCOTT We were in the midst of breaking up.
ANDREWS Yeah, it was the peak.
EDWARDS Yeah, I had no sense of anything. I was just shocked. I couldn’t understand why I hadn’t been told about it. I guess you just didn’t want to deal with me.
ANDREWS Well, it was actually the manager [Warren Entner].
SCOTT We had also just done the “Enjoy the Silence” cover, and that was a big clusterfuck. So we were meeting our last few obligations.
ANDREWS There was discussion of not doing it.
SCOTT Yes, there was, and I think we were told, “You have to do it. It’s Loveline.”
ANDREWS Yeah, Warren was pretty concerned.
EDWARDS I was just so unaware of the state of things, and I was just shocked that you guys would do it.
SCOTT It’s surprising that we did it, because, in the background, things were already coming off the tracks.
EDWARDS But I was completely unaware of that too.
You reunited in 2013 after 16 years away, and overall, you guys have now been able to rewrite your legacy in a way that so many of your contemporaries were unable to do because of tragedy. Is it a relief to no longer ask yourselves, “What could have been?”
ANDREWS Yeah, that’s part of the reason why we put so much effort into this documentary. It was to clarify our story and maybe get some closure on some of the regrets and mistakes.
EDWARDS I’ve never really asked myself that.
SCOTT After the band broke up, I had a pretty thorough descent into hell. And part of what I needed to do to get out of that and become at peace with everything was by reconciling the past. So when Ken called me [in 2013] and was like, “Greg and I have been hanging out and writing music,” I didn’t really have to struggle with that kind of stuff. It almost seemed like it should have happened that way. I had literally just dropped the proverbial rock on having such strong feelings about what could have been or what if and all of that garbage. Those questions do nothing but hold you back. You can’t move forward if you’re living in those questions. So it was something that I had to deal with long before the band even got back together, and it definitely made getting back together a lot more free and enjoyable, without having to be constantly dragged around in this new relationship by the baggage of the past.
ANDREWS I’ve always thought that if we had gotten more radio airplay or more success [in ‘96 and ‘97], it might not have been a good thing.
SCOTT Be careful what you wish for.
EDWARDS Yeah, I probably wouldn’t be here. In terms of the work that we created [in the ‘90s] and the work we’ve continued to create and the way it’s been received by the fans, there’s just no regret there. It’s done everything I could ever hope for. There could be more people that are aware of it, but the actual art that we’ve created has even outperformed what I could ever hope for.
Failure’s Greg Edwards (left), Kellii Scott (center), Ken Andrews (right)
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Yeah, you’re one of the few revivals that isn’t resting on laurels and operating as a legacy act. Your new music is a logical next step from where you left off in ‘96, and I probably listen to the new stuff more than the old stuff now, granted I had 20 years with the ‘90s material. Are you surprised at all that you’ve been able to make music that’s just as vital?
ANDREWS I’m surprised. What I’m the most surprised by and the most inspired by is the whole different generation of kids who discovered FantasticPlanet and the newer albums simultaneously. They didn’t really know anything about the band breaking up; they just thought it was a band. So to be older now and see younger versions of ourselves discovering our music is so gratifying. And to walk out on stage and see those young faces is a gift that I was not expecting.
I’ve been reading the tea leaves for the last six or seven months, and it appears you’re on the verge of finishing your seventh record. The second era of the band will officially have more output than Failure 1.0. What can you say at this juncture?
ANDREWS We’re finishing it. That’s definitely true. We’ve got a good solid album worth of songs, and we’re mixing. When I’m at this point in the process, I don’t have a ton of objectivity on where the album fits in the timeline of the band. I just know it feels good, and I know I like the songs. But it’s hard to know how it’s going to land for people.
Are the segues between songs back?
ANDREWS There’s some extended intros, but they’re not defined as “segues.”
SCOTT We don’t actually use that word on the record.
EDWARDS When we made our first three records, there was zero concern to the running time because vinyl was gone. Nobody bought vinyl, nobody pressed vinyl, and a CD could handle 74 minutes. But now, vinyl is a real thing again. It’s a real thing that we think about when we’re making a record. All the classic Beatles records are right around 38 or 40 minutes, and that’s what vinyl can handle before you start losing frequency response. So segues can really eat up that time on vinyl. Do you want to have a few nice segues? Or do you want the songs to sound full and big?
ANDREWS I like the challenge of making a concise record that fits on one vinyl disc. I guess it’s because so many of my favorite albums did that, and while it is an arbitrary technological number, it influenced the creativity and how people thought about records: “What are you going to start side B with?” That was a big consideration. And because we’ve had so much success with vinyl in the rebooted version of the band, it’s just something that’s on our minds.
Are you done reinterpreting the Golden b-sides à la “Petting the Carpet” and “Pennies”?
ANDREWS I don’t know if we’re done, but I feel like we’ve maybe picked some of the best ones. So we’re not revisiting the past on this record, although we are actually rehearsing some of those older songs right now and reinterpreting them for an acoustic set [at 6/26’s documentary premiere].
Failure’s Greg Edwards, Kellii Scott and Ken Andrews perform an acoustic at the premiere of Every Time You Lose Your Mind: A Documentary About Failure
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Lastly, Greg’s sister, Julie Edwards, commented in the doc about the one-two punch of “Heliotropic” and “Daylight” to conclude Fantastic Planet (1996). What’s your favorite run from the newer material?
EDWARDS “Long Division” into “Bad Translation” into “Half Moon,” those three [from Wild Type Droid] transition really nicely.
ANDREWS We really spend time on sequence. In fact, we’re still haggling over sequence on the new record. It’s like songwriting for us. We really listen to the transitions and feel the pacing. It’s very important to us.
SCOTTIn the Future’s “Force Fed Rainbow” and “The Pineal Electorate” would be mine. “Force Fed Rainbow” is one of my favorite songs of all the new stuff, and I believed that even more when we played it live for the first time on our last tour. It just crushed me every night. I actually think the last four songs on In the Future … are equal to the last four songs on FantasticPlanet.
Besides those two, I also appreciate The Heart Is a Monster’s transition of “A.M. Amnesia” into “Snow Angel.”
ANDREWS Yeah, I love the intro to “A.M. Amnesia” and the beginning of that album. Dean from STP was just telling me that every time he gets into his car, it [alphabetically] programs “A.M. Amnesia” to play first [because it’s paired to his phone’s library]. And [the loud intro] kills him because he always has his stereo volume set loud from the previous drive.
ANDREWS & EDWARDS & SCOTT (Laugh.)
EDWARDS The first thing that plays every time I get in the car is the soundtrack from Amélie.
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